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this went from lean romney to solid romney. new hampshire, the polls moved it from a lean obama to a tossup state. and interestingly enough, polls in new mexico and pennsylvania with a total of 25 electoral votes move states from obama to lean obama. these were offset by three changes that helped the obama. wisconsin moved from toss township lean obama. oregon moved from lean obama to obama. and arizona moved from romney to lean romney. this drops obama total of obama states to 196, plus he has 51 lean. romney has, grew slightly to 159 electoral votes in his column. plus 32 lean. it was a week of some change, not a lot. but generally compensating changes. >> bret: of those, the significance? >> the most significant is wisconsin moving to lean obama. it caution here, there is an outlier poll out there. a poll that shows obama leading in wisconsin by 14 points. that is skewing this. wisconsin is starting to lean. that is shrinking, shrinking the electoral map. the other surprise for me still is that north carolina remains on our
this went from lean romney to solid romney. new hampshire, the polls moved it from a lean obama to a tossup state. and interestingly enough, polls in new mexico and pennsylvania with a total of 25 electoral votes move states from obama to lean obama. these were offset by three changes that helped the obama. wisconsin moved from toss township lean obama. oregon moved from lean obama to obama. and arizona moved from romney to lean romney. this drops obama total of obama states to 196, plus he has...
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pounding the daylights out of him, and romney's or -- >> sean: i don't get it. i don't know why we're not seeing more pounding by him. do you think it starts next wednesday in colorado? >> sometimes he says positive things about obama. he cares about the middle class. no, barack obama doesn't care about the middle class. if he cared about the middle class, he wouldn't be putting through obama tax hikes on people in the middle class. >> let me just say that next wednesday night, this is it. they need to turn this campaign around. debates are vehicles of challengers. this is his chance to do this. >> sean: we need the mitt romney that showed up after losing south carolina, where he went into that state up double digits, and came out winning by double digits -- i'm sorry -- lost by double digits, then went to florida and had two debates with newt, that's the romney i want. >> the one-on-one debate forum is not necessarily president obama's best either. they've been after him for $700 million on character. the american people get 90 minutes to see whether or not tha
pounding the daylights out of him, and romney's or -- >> sean: i don't get it. i don't know why we're not seeing more pounding by him. do you think it starts next wednesday in colorado? >> sometimes he says positive things about obama. he cares about the middle class. no, barack obama doesn't care about the middle class. if he cared about the middle class, he wouldn't be putting through obama tax hikes on people in the middle class. >> let me just say that next wednesday...
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of like romney was. kerry was perceived to do much better than bush in the debate. closed the gap substantially. there were a lot of soft democratic vote worries strayed from his side. his debate performance brought them back into the fold. that's not the case now. it's more of a mishmash of democrats and republicans and casual voters. he needs something big that's going to move that three, four points. if it's not the debate, i don't know what else it is. >> jonathan, in your column today you suggest democrats may be getting a little overconfident going into the debates. you say romney sounded reasonable on "60 minutes." he didn't sound like the guy who insulted half the country. that's hardly great expectations. that's more like "bleak house." isn't it? >> i said he trashed half the country. that's very important. he trashed half the country. >> your use of that colloquialism. >> mitt romney sounded reasonable. that's not to say he was correct or to say his policy prescriptions are the right ones for t
of like romney was. kerry was perceived to do much better than bush in the debate. closed the gap substantially. there were a lot of soft democratic vote worries strayed from his side. his debate performance brought them back into the fold. that's not the case now. it's more of a mishmash of democrats and republicans and casual voters. he needs something big that's going to move that three, four points. if it's not the debate, i don't know what else it is. >> jonathan, in your column...
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i support mitt romney. >> i'm mitt romney, and a prove this message. >> sean: anytime you run an ad and you get more on the other party supporting you, that's got to be a good ad, right, by definition? >> exactly. and what was powerful there is you've got real people. i mean this guy -- the grit on his face, and what they have to go through in mining coal, it was the kind of ad that relates to hard working working class voters, people from places like ohio and michigan. sean, the only question i have, because the ads are powerful right now, and that was a good one, why did they wait till the third week of september to start running that ad? that i don't understand. >> sean: good point, good question. obama, back to class warfare. not one of us attacking romney for his wealth, which let's see if it resonates. i don't think it will. i haven't seen the dials yet. let's take a look. >> i'm barack obama. a prove this message. >> seen these new ads where mitt romney says he's a friend of coal country? this is the guy who wants to keep tax breaks for companies that ship american jobs overseas.
i support mitt romney. >> i'm mitt romney, and a prove this message. >> sean: anytime you run an ad and you get more on the other party supporting you, that's got to be a good ad, right, by definition? >> exactly. and what was powerful there is you've got real people. i mean this guy -- the grit on his face, and what they have to go through in mining coal, it was the kind of ad that relates to hard working working class voters, people from places like ohio and michigan. sean,...
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romney has a lot to risk going in, a lot to lose going in. most of the time debates don't move the media that much. actually content matters. everything we want to talk about probably isn't as important as what that felt like to the people he was talking about. if he makes that same kind of statement, i'm not going to even call it gaffe. if he makes that same kind of a statement, that won't matter. i actually think -- they're apparently practicing zingers on people and whatnot. >> i'm shocked to hear that. i thought everything was spontaneously and well reherred. are the media raising expectations too high for him because he's behind in the swing states and all that we're going to stay if he holds his open against an incumbent president, that's not good enough? >> i think there's way too much commentary in that vein. look, i think a fair reading of the polls averaged out. romney is behind but it's not an overwhelming gap. this isn't his last shot. >> we're terrible. don't watch sniet was on fox news sunday earlier this morn and anchor chris w
romney has a lot to risk going in, a lot to lose going in. most of the time debates don't move the media that much. actually content matters. everything we want to talk about probably isn't as important as what that felt like to the people he was talking about. if he makes that same kind of statement, i'm not going to even call it gaffe. if he makes that same kind of a statement, that won't matter. i actually think -- they're apparently practicing zingers on people and whatnot. >> i'm...
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how exactly will romney counter the idea that he is awkward and not normal? >> mr. romney's team concluded the debates are about creating moments, the quick series of zingers he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. >> jon: they equipped him with zingers. >> and you know what? the best zingers are two ones you practice for two months. >> a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar. it is a bar for homosexuals. the priest and the rabbi fall in love and get married because of barack obama! zing! >> i will tell you this, people. i would not (bleep) barack obama's economy with the (bleep). zing! >> zing! >> the candidates are preparing for wednesday's debate we go to senior correspondent aasif mandvi. >> you are with the romney camp, how is he doing? >> he is prepping the best he can, jon, but you hate to see an uphill battle like this, this is the president, the greatest or for this, orator this country has seen since lincoln. >> like i mean, mitt romney, talk about brilliant two, harvard degrees, the guy has never even lost an argument, he is no slouch
how exactly will romney counter the idea that he is awkward and not normal? >> mr. romney's team concluded the debates are about creating moments, the quick series of zingers he has memorized and has been practicing on aides since august. >> jon: they equipped him with zingers. >> and you know what? the best zingers are two ones you practice for two months. >> a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar. it is a bar for homosexuals. the priest and the rabbi fall in love and get...
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mitt romney. >> sean, we had this conversation. look, the middle east has been burning for 2,000 years. >> bill: not like this. >> are you kidding me? beirut, beirut, beirut under reagan. >> bill: he's going to vegas. >> this is like -- look, we have u.s. assets all around the world. every president's had this kind of situation happen much worse than this one. and this president believes you go get the guy -- it's not bravado, you don't say bring it on, you don't send 200,000 troops in. >> bill: why not? there's four americans dead. >> you find them and kill them. that's what happened with osama bin laden on this watch. it's not words or rhetoric. all this is is garbage rhetoric. >> come on, joe! you're defending the indefensible. >> no, i'm not. >> this president has cost us -- >> the bush doctrine -- >> bill: joe, let me the governor finish a sentence. go ahead, governor. >> joe, this is a critical time. this is a part of the world where a transition was taking place. and we should have been there leading it. we should have been
mitt romney. >> sean, we had this conversation. look, the middle east has been burning for 2,000 years. >> bill: not like this. >> are you kidding me? beirut, beirut, beirut under reagan. >> bill: he's going to vegas. >> this is like -- look, we have u.s. assets all around the world. every president's had this kind of situation happen much worse than this one. and this president believes you go get the guy -- it's not bravado, you don't say bring it on, you don't...
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romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel on its borders and he just wanted his state of play. understand this is a relationship, piers. prime minister netanyahu and governor romney go back a number of decades. they worked together in business when they were both graduates from business school. they've kept in touch over the years. so prime minister netanyahu is someone that the governor reaches out to from time to time just to get his perspectives on the region and he certainly felt that given what's going on right now, in addition to the iranian cri
romney? >> well, it was -- obviously it was a one-on-one conversation. i know a little about it. they talked about what prime minister netanyahu meant about red lines, what his views were on the current state of play with iran. governor romney also sought out the prime minister's views on developments in the arab world. there is this sense of an unraveling going on right now throughout the middle east in many capitals, poses a threat to the united states. it poses real threats to israel...
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romney will win that. everyone is surprised that all of these polls are pretty much saying obama is in command of the lead. chuck talked about they lost august. one reading is that they lost the summer, the romney campaign. if you look at obama did, they did, at the start of this race was in may. that's when they started going out with tough ads and framing romney as someone who wasn't in touch with the middle class and the tax issue, him releasing his tax returns. he was always on the defensive and now he has a lot of ground to make up. gwen: is there an argument to be made that there is a policy shift going on in america's mind as well, not just a good speech or a good piece of positioning, but actually people are looking at their choices differently now? >> there are ways to think of this, not just through polling data but economic data and there is a surge of optimism. small business confidence is up. some financial market participant indexes are up. this would suggest that people are starting to feel
romney will win that. everyone is surprised that all of these polls are pretty much saying obama is in command of the lead. chuck talked about they lost august. one reading is that they lost the summer, the romney campaign. if you look at obama did, they did, at the start of this race was in may. that's when they started going out with tough ads and framing romney as someone who wasn't in touch with the middle class and the tax issue, him releasing his tax returns. he was always on the...
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that is when mitt romney picked up. more than a few republicans wondering why the campaign is not showcasing it ryan now front and center, for a campaign concerned about its base, renewed focus on one guy who still jazzes that base, ryan, get used to seeing him, including this very show tomorrow. paul ryan, my exclusive special guest. charlie gasparino, a lot of republicans have been saying, what took you so long, what to you think? >> well, from what i understand, prominent business republicans, have given a lot of money to mitt romney over the last you know year. and have access to him through direct lior intermedia, voicing their concern he is not using paul ryan enough, and that he is been muzzling paul ryan, this is reached a sort of crescendo, talk it pointed where ryan has had to dispel the rumor or notion, i should say, he has been muzzled. neil: he is speaking everywhere. but media decides if they want tto pay attention. >> but what is he saying? is he taking the fight to president obama, who according to busin
that is when mitt romney picked up. more than a few republicans wondering why the campaign is not showcasing it ryan now front and center, for a campaign concerned about its base, renewed focus on one guy who still jazzes that base, ryan, get used to seeing him, including this very show tomorrow. paul ryan, my exclusive special guest. charlie gasparino, a lot of republicans have been saying, what took you so long, what to you think? >> well, from what i understand, prominent business...
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mitt romney's been running for president two years, and five weeks before the election, mitt romney's -- they decide, time, they'll do a story on the mormon identity. not about tax reform, not the economy, not about foreign policy, the mormon identity. and, i want to also point out, i think -- i was struck by it this week, this is wednesday's "washington post." might have wife points it out to me. the story in the top is, obama issues a challenge. fair enough, the president spoke to the u.n. and that is a big news story and the lead story: ohio, florida, give obama an edge. here's the sidebar story, for obama the buckeye state, ma a bull's-eye. my wife turned to me and said, well, i guess the race is over according to the "washington post," am i overreacting and more importantly, is my wife overreacting to this. >> reportingness of polls, there has been a lot of discussion in particular about the polling and whether the polling is oversampling democrats and all of that. and, you know, to some extent, political reporters report on polls and that drives the their t.v. i would say that t
mitt romney's been running for president two years, and five weeks before the election, mitt romney's -- they decide, time, they'll do a story on the mormon identity. not about tax reform, not the economy, not about foreign policy, the mormon identity. and, i want to also point out, i think -- i was struck by it this week, this is wednesday's "washington post." might have wife points it out to me. the story in the top is, obama issues a challenge. fair enough, the president spoke to...
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romn romney. would they drop some of the medicaid programs, would you cover fewer people and say there will be less federal dollars going to it. those are the two fewer differences. >> interesting, mitt romney at times appears to be softening on obama-care and embracing his plan in massachusetts strongly and people are kind of confused about that. has his posture changed? shifted? what? >> that's fair. i've talked to governor romney about this in this past. interesting certainly one of the things he said about massachusetts in order to get universal health care done one of the benefits patients wouldn't have to go to the emergency room where it's the most expensive to get health care, you probably heard the other day, americans do have health care, they can go to an emergency room. that was clearly a bit of shift and tough one to explain. overall, think he's still -- if you ask him, he still believes people should get health care insurance. i think the strategy how he wants to get there is very di
romn romney. would they drop some of the medicaid programs, would you cover fewer people and say there will be less federal dollars going to it. those are the two fewer differences. >> interesting, mitt romney at times appears to be softening on obama-care and embracing his plan in massachusetts strongly and people are kind of confused about that. has his posture changed? shifted? what? >> that's fair. i've talked to governor romney about this in this past. interesting certainly one...
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romney and ryan were in this thing together. well, they're not. romney is dying. he can't stand being tied to ryan, and all that budget cutting baggage of his. for his part, ryan is feeling the taint of having a running mate who is unwilling to stand with him, unwilling to be his kind of politician. a conviction politician. so trouble in paradise. mitt's dying to be single again, so is ryan. we all know that politics makes strange bedfellows but the word is out this pair, romney and ryan, are sleeping in separate rooms. i'm joined by msnbc political analyst howard fineman and joy ann reid, managing editor of thegrio.com. more polling data that shows mitt romney trailing. let's check the hardball scoring board. according to a new fox news poll, president obama leads romney by five points among likely voters nationwide. 48% to 43%. catch that, the fox poll. highly significant there. let's go right now to howard on this question. it looks to me like this divorce papers are pretty much out there right now. all that you hear now is r
romney and ryan were in this thing together. well, they're not. romney is dying. he can't stand being tied to ryan, and all that budget cutting baggage of his. for his part, ryan is feeling the taint of having a running mate who is unwilling to stand with him, unwilling to be his kind of politician. a conviction politician. so trouble in paradise. mitt's dying to be single again, so is ryan. we all know that politics makes strange bedfellows but the word is out this pair, romney and ryan, are...
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we saw a softer message from the romney campaign in that ad. we saw a softer romney on the stump. i would do precisely the opposite. go bigger, bolder, make your case. on the bail-out question. romney hasn't mounted a defense. a great defense to be made there. washington insiderrism, give away to the unions and uaw. he would stop that. president obama engaged in it after he said he'd change washington. arguement to be made there but they're not making it. >> bret: iran's president stirs things up again at the united nations. does your phone give you all day battery life ? droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does it do turn-by-turn navigation ? droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4g lte network, and motorola, droid does. get $100 off select motorola 4g lte smartphones like the droid razr. >> translator: the current abysmal situation of the world and abysmal history are due to the wrong management of the world. the proclaimed center of power who entrusted themselves to the devil. continued
we saw a softer message from the romney campaign in that ad. we saw a softer romney on the stump. i would do precisely the opposite. go bigger, bolder, make your case. on the bail-out question. romney hasn't mounted a defense. a great defense to be made there. washington insiderrism, give away to the unions and uaw. he would stop that. president obama engaged in it after he said he'd change washington. arguement to be made there but they're not making it. >> bret: iran's president stirs...
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we've had businessman romney. foreign policy romney. latino romney. but we still haven't seen aqua romney. >> well, maybe that's not a bad idea. it is looking increasingly like mitt romney needs to do something to catch president obama in key toss-up states including ohio where both candidates are campaigning today. in the latest "the new york times"/quinnipiac poll has the president up ten points in the buckeye state. "the washington post" poll had him up by eight. the president pulled ahead in florida and pennsylvania, as well. drastic times call for drastic measures. the romney campaign is out with a new ad and just romney and the came camera. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. >> but that is a tough sell with middle class voters who believe romney's economic policies only benefit the rich. is it time for romney 4.0? so, i dug in to this quinnipiac poll and a few things that were interesting and struck me. first of all, there's so many people have
we've had businessman romney. foreign policy romney. latino romney. but we still haven't seen aqua romney. >> well, maybe that's not a bad idea. it is looking increasingly like mitt romney needs to do something to catch president obama in key toss-up states including ohio where both candidates are campaigning today. in the latest "the new york times"/quinnipiac poll has the president up ten points in the buckeye state. "the washington post" poll had him up by eight....
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for mitt romney it will be his first. i suppose the question is it is games man ship on most accounts but does it work? >> they're trying to lower expectations. they're trying to make the other side seem fabulous, great debaters if you will. i think everybody is onto what they're saying in advance of the debates. yi thinthey're boso debaters, the prident of the united states, i moderate rated four debates fo yrs ago when he didates and didn't have to do any this cycle because no one was challenging him forhe democratic presidential nomination. i did moderate four last time including that final one-on-on debate that he did with hillary clinton at the kodak theater in los angeles and he is very good and hillary clinton i thought was a better debater and ironically joe biden and chris dodd did really well and the president obviously got the democratic nomination. he is a very solid debater. i moderate rated four republican presidential debates with mitt romney and i have the same feeling about him. very solid. knows his stu
for mitt romney it will be his first. i suppose the question is it is games man ship on most accounts but does it work? >> they're trying to lower expectations. they're trying to make the other side seem fabulous, great debaters if you will. i think everybody is onto what they're saying in advance of the debates. yi thinthey're boso debaters, the prident of the united states, i moderate rated four debates fo yrs ago when he didates and didn't have to do any this cycle because no one was...
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romney and paul ryan are intensifying their focus on swing states, romney starting today in colorado before joining paul ryan in ohio where a new poll today has president obama breaking past 50%. joining me now, chris cizilla msnbc contributor and managing editor of host politics.com. this is the biggest edge that the president has had in ohio so far. and what does it mean that the romney/ryan campaign are focusing on ohio as well, the president will be going to toledo all roads leading to ohio later this week? >> that's right. look, andrea, what it means is history is close to determinative as it relates to republicans, ohio and the presidency, which is no republican presidential candidate, no republican presidential candidate, has been elected president without winning ohio. i think the bus tour in ohio begins tomorrow with mitt romney and paul ryan is a evidence that they are clearly worried. i've talked to lots of people, so much public polling out there, some showing president obama with almost a double-digit lead. i talked to most people on the republican/democratic side who sa
romney and paul ryan are intensifying their focus on swing states, romney starting today in colorado before joining paul ryan in ohio where a new poll today has president obama breaking past 50%. joining me now, chris cizilla msnbc contributor and managing editor of host politics.com. this is the biggest edge that the president has had in ohio so far. and what does it mean that the romney/ryan campaign are focusing on ohio as well, the president will be going to toledo all roads leading to ohio...
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governor romney said he wouldn't. governor romney said it was tragic that we entered the iraq war. one of the reasons that al qaeda strengthened during the last decade was our focus in iraq. so we are happy to have this debate and we'll have it obviously -- >> was this an intelligence failure? >> no. this was an event obviously, a complex event. we're only talking about a matter of weeks here. so as information was arrived at, as determinations were made, that was shared with the american people. and i think again the focus needs to be how do we make sure that our facilities and ambassadors and our personnel are secure going forward. and that's what the focus is on. >> as you know, the chairman of the homeland security committee has called for susan rice to resign. >> she's done an excellent job for this country and this administration. >> ben ghazi is so bad that the fbi can't even go in and investigate. what about the fact that there are military operations to find ambassador stephens' killers? what is america doing to change the trajectory in libya? >> well, i'm not going to spe
governor romney said he wouldn't. governor romney said it was tragic that we entered the iraq war. one of the reasons that al qaeda strengthened during the last decade was our focus in iraq. so we are happy to have this debate and we'll have it obviously -- >> was this an intelligence failure? >> no. this was an event obviously, a complex event. we're only talking about a matter of weeks here. so as information was arrived at, as determinations were made, that was shared with the...
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mitt romney up early in westerville, ohio. that is the key state of ohio right in the center part of the state near columbus, ohio, the capital city. mitt romney hitting the president on debt and deficit spending moments ago. >> do we want four more years where every single year the take-home pay goes down? >> no!. >> do we want four more years of trillion dollar deficits? >> know. >> i don't believe we can afford four more years like the last four years and the reason i believe after the debates and after the cam panes and after all the ads are over, the people of ohio are going to say loud and clear on november 6th, we can't afford four more years. we must do better. [cheers and applause] bill: you can watch this speech. it steams life on foxnews.com as the rally continues there in westerville, ohio. martha: fire and protests in the streets of europe. listen to some of this. [shouting]. those are the scenes with riot police out in force in the streets of the city of madrid. clashing with hooded protesters there. tens of thou
mitt romney up early in westerville, ohio. that is the key state of ohio right in the center part of the state near columbus, ohio, the capital city. mitt romney hitting the president on debt and deficit spending moments ago. >> do we want four more years where every single year the take-home pay goes down? >> no!. >> do we want four more years of trillion dollar deficits? >> know. >> i don't believe we can afford four more years like the last four years and the...
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same thing with governor romney. he has to know how to answer the questions but he has to be relaxed and rely on himself. one of the things i tell candidates it's very important that they have the good political judgment to make decisions and think on their feet rather than rely on script. >> give me one thing that you think we ought to look for out of mitt romney and one thing out of obama in this debate coming up on wednesday. >>> i think one of the -- apart from the economy, i do think one thing we should be looking for is to see if the president is willing to talk about his record on the economy and defend it. the american people ought to be making a judgment whether or not the president can defend that record. he ought to be looking for governor romney how well he press the case against the president. it's been his failure to lead on the economy that has led us into the spot we are in right now. that is most important part of the entire debate. the debate this wednesday will focus on the economy and domestic iss
same thing with governor romney. he has to know how to answer the questions but he has to be relaxed and rely on himself. one of the things i tell candidates it's very important that they have the good political judgment to make decisions and think on their feet rather than rely on script. >> give me one thing that you think we ought to look for out of mitt romney and one thing out of obama in this debate coming up on wednesday. >>> i think one of the -- apart from the economy, i...
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romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? syou know, i've helped a lot off people save a lot of money. but today...( sfx: loud noise of large metal object hitting the ground) things have been a little strange. (sfx: sound of piano smashing) roadrunner: meep meep. meep meep? (sfx: loud thud sound) what a strange place. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. i i had pain in my abdomen...g. it just wouldn't go away. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember
romney: "it's time to stand up to the cheaters" vo: tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs... it was president obama who stood up to china and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision... said standing up to china was "bad for the nation and our workers." how can mitt romney take on the cheaters... when he's taking their side? syou know, i've helped a lot off people save a lot of money. but...